tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post1756118298900251548..comments2023-12-28T04:24:34.561-05:00Comments on Why I Hate Jesus: Abort a Baby and Save a SoulMR. Xhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12384772889207036678noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-83244494477535283242009-11-21T12:57:41.481-05:002009-11-21T12:57:41.481-05:00Eh, you didn't ruin anything.Eh, you didn't ruin anything.Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335465096499544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-28164665046102820132009-11-20T15:16:12.800-05:002009-11-20T15:16:12.800-05:00Sorry if I ruined your surprise then.Sorry if I ruined your surprise then.GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-38392185997781758912009-11-20T14:22:45.774-05:002009-11-20T14:22:45.774-05:00GCT: Tyler,
I'm sure you are aware of that fac...<b>GCT: Tyler,<br />I'm sure you are aware of that fact, but you did say that "An embryo isn't a life." I knew what you meant, but I also see that it could be confusing for others reading that.</b><br /><br />It was intentionally ambiguous. A pro-lifer/anti-choicer taking that statement to task is going to be forced to make some distinctions they're probably not going to be comfortable with, and that's part of my job - making people who are intent on forcing their views on others uncomfortable. :PTylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335465096499544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-9723323605233086882009-11-20T13:39:46.465-05:002009-11-20T13:39:46.465-05:00Tyler,
I'm sure you are aware of that fact, bu...Tyler,<br />I'm sure you are aware of that fact, but you did say that "An embryo isn't a life." I knew what you meant, but I also see that it could be confusing for others reading that.<br /><br />Anon,<br />"We are to love and enjoy fellowship with one another during our time here..."<br /><br />And, you know this how? Besides, how does one love and enjoy fellowship with a bunch of sinners, or if one is suffering from some disease? And, if it leads to hell, it certainly isn't worth it. Why would a god that wants us to be in heaven also want us to be here so that we can end up in hell?<br /><br />"...along with winning souls for Christ."<br /><br />And you know this how? And, how is abortion not doing this? Do not aborted souls get to go to heaven? By aborting souls one would be doing this very thing.<br /><br />"And our Creator decided this."<br /><br />So you claim, but you don't know that, and it's contradictory to this same creator's stated goals. That's what I'm pointing out.GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-73024424985983594422009-11-20T12:44:09.773-05:002009-11-20T12:44:09.773-05:00Anon: We are to love and enjoy fellowship with one...<b>Anon: We are to love and enjoy fellowship with one another during our time here...</b><br /><br />Don't need a god for that.<br /><br /><b>Anon: ... along with winning souls for Christ.</b><br /><br />Man, don't you ever get tired of being christ's bitch?<br /><br />Fuck Jesus. Let him "win souls" for himself, the lazy git. Assuming he exists, if the best he can do to convince people he exists is sending out throngs of walking monuments to stupidity such as yourself, he's got nothing to offer anyway.<br /><br /><b>Anon: And our Creator decided this.</b><br /><br />Yeah? Fuck him too.Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335465096499544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-80047319401115461622009-11-20T12:32:22.099-05:002009-11-20T12:32:22.099-05:00GCT: Tyler,
Embryos are alive.
I'm well aware...<b>GCT: Tyler,<br />Embryos are alive.</b><br /><br />I'm well aware of that, and I didn't claim otherwise. :)<br /><br />Malignant brain tumors are alive too.<br /><br /><b>GCT: It's whether they should merit the mantle of personhood that is at stake.</b><br /><br />If they did, they'd be called people! :PTylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335465096499544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-9816502013058854652009-11-20T12:00:34.361-05:002009-11-20T12:00:34.361-05:00We are to love and enjoy fellowship with one anoth...We are to love and enjoy fellowship with one another during our time here, along with winning souls for Christ. And our Creator decided this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-44627142121876801132009-11-20T07:23:14.103-05:002009-11-20T07:23:14.103-05:00Tyler,
Embryos are alive. It's whether they s...Tyler,<br />Embryos are alive. It's whether they should merit the mantle of personhood that is at stake.<br /><br />Anon,<br />What things are we supposed to do, who decided on these things, and why? If one of those things is to try and get as many souls into heaven as possible, then I should abort as many "babies" as possible.GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-89485828456612970112009-11-20T02:43:16.175-05:002009-11-20T02:43:16.175-05:00Anon: The goal of your life is not only to go to H...<b>Anon: The goal of your life is not only to go to Heaven.</b><br /><br />:snort: Says who...<br /><br /><b>Anon: That is what everyone wants in the end...</b><br /><br />:snort: Is that so...<br /><br />I've personally never heard a description of heaven that wasn't utterly dreadful. Why anyone would want to go there is beyond me.<br /><br />Of course, heaven's just make believe, so it's ultimately moot, thank god.Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335465096499544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-86952240123453573762009-11-20T02:36:22.574-05:002009-11-20T02:36:22.574-05:00Jennifer: And it isn't man's job to play G...<b>Jennifer: And it isn't man's job to play God...</b><br /><br />Silly you... <br /><br />There's no god.<br /><br /><b>Jennifer: ... and decide who gets to live and who gets to die.</b><br /><br />That's exactly what transplant committees do when they select for transplant recipients. Are you saying transplant committees shouldn't be selective when deciding who gets a life saving organ? <br /><br /><b>Jennifer: Punishment must be made if you take a life.</b><br /><br />An embryo isn't a life.<br /><br /><b>Jennifer: Whether that life is small and short in existence or not, it is still murder of a person if you kill 'abort' a baby.</b><br /><br />No one's advocating killing babies.<br /><br /><b>Jennifer: Fetus's (Latin for baby) do not grow up to be frogs, lizards or birds.</b><br /><br />Well, frog fetuses grow up to be frogs, lizard fetuses grow up to be lizards, and bird fetuses grow up to be birds. <br /><br />Well, most of the time. Sometimes they die before birth for some reason, or they get eaten by other animals before they grow up, or they suffer from physical defects of some sort and don't survive long.<br /><br /><b>Jennifer: They grow into a person.</b><br /><br />Right. They <i>grow into</i> a person. Zygotes/blastocysts/embryos/fetuses, by definition, are not people, so calling abortion murder is inaccurate.<br /><br /><b>Jennifer: A person who matters just as much as you do.</b><br /><br />Matters to whom? Certainly not me. I couldn't care less if anyone gets an abortion. It's none of my business. Why do YOU care if anyone (other than yourself, of course) gets an abortion? Why is it any of <i>your</i> business?<br /><br /><b>Jennifer: And who should have every right that you have been given to lead a full, long and healthy life.</b><br /><br />Some fetuses aren't able to lead full, long and healthy lives. Is it okay to abort them?<br /><br />As far as rights are concerned - when an zygote/blastocyst/embryo/fetus is capable of taking advantage of the rights extended to people, extending them those rights is logical. Until then, it's a moot point.Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335465096499544097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-59655877967139110672009-11-19T22:56:46.656-05:002009-11-19T22:56:46.656-05:00The goal of your life is not only to go to Heaven....The goal of your life is not only to go to Heaven. That is what everyone wants in the end, but there are things we are to do along the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-78016451558664527212009-11-19T14:29:11.976-05:002009-11-19T14:29:11.976-05:00You don't know that, and in fact you would mos...You don't know that, and in fact you would most likely be wrong in quite a few cases. For children born in non-Xian majority areas, the chances are rather slim that a child will lead people to heaven through Xianity.<br /><br />Besides, if we aborted all the unborn, then all would go to heaven and there would be no need to evangelize. It's still inconsistent to claim that aborted souls go to heaven and that it's a bad thing.GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-46213619716716922792009-11-19T13:53:58.071-05:002009-11-19T13:53:58.071-05:00However, God intended for that child to lead other...However, God intended for that child to lead others to Heaven as well. You have condemned others by sending that one soul to Heaven early. That's why it's still wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-50102431340232491402009-11-19T07:29:57.063-05:002009-11-19T07:29:57.063-05:00Jennifer,
First of all, welcome and thank you for ...Jennifer,<br />First of all, welcome and thank you for the comments.<br /><br />Why do you think that seeing an abortion or an aborted fetus (or from an earlier stage?) would make my argument any different? You do realize that fully grown adult humans can and are brutalized and that that's not a pretty picture either, don't you? In fact, the difference is that fully grown adults can feel the pain inflicted, while the unborn can't until a certain time.<br /><br />Still, you seem to think that we shouldn't "play god" because "punishment must be made if you take a life." Yet, why should one be punished for helping another get to heaven? If you've actually done that unborn fetus a favor by sending it to heaven, why should any punishment ensue? Shouldn't god be happy that you've done this because god desires that all souls go to heaven? You're helping god out by sending one more soul to heaven that otherwise may have become corrupted while on Earth. This is what I'm asking.GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-34915585121679476502009-11-18T19:11:50.153-05:002009-11-18T19:11:50.153-05:00If you had seen an abortion or seen an aborted bab...If you had seen an abortion or seen an aborted baby you might not be so nonchalant with your words. <br /><br />And it isn't man's job to play God and decide who gets to live and who gets to die. That's why we have a justice system. Punishment must be made if you take a life. Whether that life is small and short in existence or not, it is still murder of a person if you kill 'abort' a baby. Fetus's (Latin for baby) do not grow up to be frogs, lizards or birds. They grow into a person. A person who matters just as much as you do. And who should have every right that you have been given to lead a full, long and healthy life.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03269772966026037223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-50311222915311196022009-08-05T04:35:30.166-04:002009-08-05T04:35:30.166-04:00Wrap your mind around this. Of course, we all unde...Wrap your mind around this. Of course, we all understand that there can be no pleasure unless it stands in contrast to pain, no evil unless it stands in contrast to good and no immorality unless it stands in contrast to morality. <br /><br />So Heaven, which has been reported as eternal bliss and Hell which is called 'eternal torture' are both entirely ineffective. Anyone going to heaven would eventually have no reason to think it's so good since nothing bad ever happens and anyone in hell would eventually tire of the torture and like a runner in a marathon break through the pain into eternal blah.<br /><br />Who's administering the torture in hell anyway? Little devils? If god created everything and it's all so good why would he create a league of ugly little demons bent on shoving hot pokers up your ass? That doesn't sound so loving.Billy Deatonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360965533398052865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-26701434393518901272009-08-03T07:42:47.298-04:002009-08-03T07:42:47.298-04:00If that's true about Robert, and I can't s...If that's true about Robert, and I can't speak for Robert, I have a feeling that he would be a Xian because that's the culture he was brought up in. It's not because it is supported. If he felt it was supported, he would be a Xian now.GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-36304892185059094782009-08-03T03:55:10.818-04:002009-08-03T03:55:10.818-04:00Anonymous "There is not a close second "...<b>Anonymous</b> <i>"There is not a close second "holy book" to the Bible when it comes to incorporation of historical fact, archeological evidence, or documented existence of characters."</i><br />Actually, the Qur'an is better. With it, everything in the Tanakh and New Testament that's demonstrably wrong is because they were corrupted by Man, and anything in the Qur'an that's wrong is because it's only inerrant in the original language, and conflicts only <i>appear</i> to be conflicts because later revelation supercedes earlier, if memory serves (and it's conveniently not layed out in chronological order).Modusoperandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04213914791604385761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-88732093749277664032009-08-03T02:44:27.041-04:002009-08-03T02:44:27.041-04:00Anonymous: rather than you simply making an assert...Anonymous: rather than you simply making an assertion, could you please back it up with evidence? Particularly:<br /><br />- archeological evidence of the events in the bible<br />- documented existence of the characters in the bible<br /><br />Specifically, I would like some evidence that the character of jesus was a real man. You might be able to prove that some kings and minor characters mentioned, but how about the most important character?<br /><br />I would appreciate it if you didn't bring up the alleged writings of Tacitus and Josephus as evidence for jesus as you have several times before because they are not historically reliable (strong evidence they have been tampered with by christians) and I am asking for reliable evidence, especially in light of you mentioning how well supported the bible is.fuuuuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00405240043522723435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-47426573771798531402009-08-03T00:35:08.314-04:002009-08-03T00:35:08.314-04:00Even your buddy Robert Madewell admits that if he ...Even your buddy Robert Madewell admits that if he were to believe there was a God, he'd believe it to be the Christian God. There is not a close second "holy book" to the Bible when it comes to incorporation of historical fact, archeological evidence, or documented existence of characters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-64852713694026120752009-08-02T11:41:25.619-04:002009-08-02T11:41:25.619-04:00As with most of Christianity, it's a matter of...<i>As with most of Christianity, it's a matter of believing the Bible or not.</i><br /><br />Precisely. And there's absolutely no reason (besides cultural reasons) to believe the bible is more true than any other religious text.<br /><br />Of course most christians haven't ever read other religious texts. I bet a majority of them haven't even read the bible cover to cover.<br /><br />If there is such a thing as an "eternal soul", I would not take the fate of my own so lightly. But any reason you could give me to believe christianity, people of other religions could say the exact same thing of their own religions.<br /><br />Additionally, any reasons you could use to refute other religions, people of those religions could use the same reasons to refute christianity.fuuuuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00405240043522723435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-63221908667510757922009-08-02T09:47:03.164-04:002009-08-02T09:47:03.164-04:00Without evidence, why choose the Bible over any ot...Without evidence, why choose the Bible over any other holy book or any other belief system that anyone can conjure up?GCThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744295225958022872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-63026420465402225522009-08-01T12:43:57.125-04:002009-08-01T12:43:57.125-04:00I wouldn't say we have any physical evidence f...I wouldn't say we have any physical evidence for Heaven or Hell. As with most of Christianity, it's a matter of believing the Bible or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-61719569928231163312009-08-01T12:42:05.661-04:002009-08-01T12:42:05.661-04:00I mean, for a laugh you might say you would, but w...<i>I mean, for a laugh you might say you would, but would you really rather go through daily torture than have a full body massage, just because of who's beside you?</i><br /><br /><br />Well the reason I laugh about hell when christians threaten me with it is because I don't believe in it. It isn't real. There's no evidence for it and anyone who claims there is evidence is just lying for jesus.fuuuuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00405240043522723435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5246253500962288290.post-10177267457081382072009-08-01T00:28:35.908-04:002009-08-01T00:28:35.908-04:00Doubly so if you put them there for not believing ...Doubly so if you put them there for not believing the right thing.Modusoperandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04213914791604385761noreply@blogger.com