Saturday, 4 July 2009

Not a Xian Nation

In today's United States, it seems that politicians are falling all over themselves to out god everyone else in order to remain elected...since this is a Xian nation and all, right? Well, all one has to do to put that misperception to rest is to look at the historical documents of this nation, like the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Happy 4th of July everyone.


mdeltoro said...

One might think that an appeal to the founding documents of our nation, rather than to an obscure treaty with a Muslim entity, would be made. I do not necessarily defend the notion of a "Christian nation," although it depends on how you define that. But the nation was clearly founded on theistic, not atheistic, principles, and the founders of the nation were influenced enoromously by CHRISTIAN theism, as evidenced by their many citations of the Bible in public and in private writings and by the conduct of many of them in their personal lives. The founders believed that our rights were "inalienable" because they were given by "our Creator."

Billyist said...

GCT, another excellent post. In fact, I had planned a similar 4th of July post, but the Sarah Palin and Daniel Radcliffe happened and I had to decide which I needed to write about. I went with Radcliffe. I'm glad you covered this.

mdeltoro, You made a lot of claims about things other people believed that you didn't back up. So essentially, you could have just said "nu-uh!"

tsk tsk.

However, even if you manage to dig up evidence of the personal religious beliefs of the founding fathers, that in no way says anything about the intentions they had for this nation.

AND even if they did have a theistic principal in mind, which there's no evidence of, they provided enough leeway for us to remove it when we decide we want a nation founded on reason.

While you're out there furiously looking to back up your point, you might want to start with Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin. See what there thoughts on god were.

GCT said...

This country was founded on secular principles, not Xian principles. If anything, one could claim some deistic principles from the "Creator" comment, but that only comes into play with the Declaration of Independence, which is not a founding document of this country. No, for founding documents, one only need look at the Constitution, which does not lean on god for anything. The only mention of any divinity is in the date where they write, "In the year of our lord." They also put specific clauses in to separate religious ideas from government.

Now, one can also argue that some people did want to have a larger role for religion in government, but that would only be half the story. Sure, some people wanted that, but that view lost out to the secularist view that ultimately won.

Sir Douglas said...

Jefferson in his notes on Virginia...

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."

stuart said...

Wow! I just read the greatest atheist manifesto ever written. Seriously. It's called the Real Messiah:

It's written by a Jewish writer who found proof in a number of ancient sources that Jesus never claimed to be the messiah. It was all made up by later Christians in Rome to distract from the truth that threatened to overtake the whole Empire.

You see there was this Jewish king named Marcus Julius Agrippa. He was the St. Mark who wrote the gospel. He wrote the gospel secretly to have Jesus announce HIM as the messiah. Then the Roman authorities caught wind of what was going on and then cut Agrippa out of the gospel.

Don't you see!!! It's all a big lie - even the biggest lie in history. Jesus never claimed to be what all these people now say he was. They have been fooled by a second century editorial effort that still goes undetected.

How is Huller so sure of this conspiracy? He found an ancient throne in Venice which Italian sailors stole from the most ancient Church of St. Mark in Alexandria in the ninth century. The author proves that the throne goes back much further than that - i.e. all the way to the beginning of Christianity in Egypt.

In any event the throne has Hebrew letters and symbols which prove the real story of Christianity and how the modern Church is one big fake.

The throne is real. Here are pictures of the throne:
You can look it up with Google. It's a real object. But now the game is up. Christianity is proved to be a big lie and the world will never be the same again.

It's so great to be on the winning side at last! I've got to tell everyone.

All I got to say is that you got to read this book. This is the straw that breaks the back of the Church.

Anonymous said...

LOL! *cuckoo*