It seems that other denominations have leaders that like to victimize their congregants too. My question: didn't anyone think to question the idea of this guy having teenaged girls over to pour honey on them and then have them shower? My guess is that he got a free pass because of the undeserved honor placed on so-called holy men. Because he's in tight with Jesus, everyone assumes that he won't do something like this. It's high time that we drop the bad assumption that religious = good.
And, it's not just Xianity either, as this story shows. Yeah, these guys have even got the indifference and stonewalling of the Catholics down pat. Perhaps Hitchens was right when he said that religion poisons everything.
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Jesus feels like sucking off a bum today.
JESUS FUCKING SUCKS FUCK YOU JEW BASTARDS
People like you like to regurgitate 2,000 year old criticisms of Christianity. Do you actually think you are the first person to say these things? Why don't you do something constructive and be original.
These criticisms, no matter how old have never actually been addressed by Xians, so you can't simply hand-wave them away by appealing to the fact that you and yours have not ever answered them.
So, why don't you do something constructive and original and actually answer some of the objections laid out?
This website is a piece of shit... Ya hate Jesus cause you are angry that ur lives have not been accomplished n u want someone to blame... i know cuz i did, i was lost but if u just bend down on yas knees n pray, youll feel a light. If u dont u need healing.
"This website is a piece of shit."
Yay, Xian love. So, do tell what it is on this website that is wrong, and please provide some cogent arguments. Simply declaring that the website sux isn't very compelling.
"Ya hate Jesus cause you are angry that ur lives have not been accomplished n u want someone to blame."
Sure, whatever you say. Never mind the fact that you can't actually hate a fictional character (the blog title is hyperbole) and that you know very little about me, but hey, maybe god gives you ESP? I'm also relieved to receive even more Xian love in the form of your bigoted and stereotypical accusations.
"if u just bend down on yas knees n pray, youll feel a light."
This is demonstrably false for many atheists out there who were former believers and tried desperately to feel "a light" as you put it, but ended up feeling nothing.
"If u dont u need healing."
Healing? From whom? From where? What kind of healing? Would that be the kind of healing practices that Xians used for many years not too long ago that involved thumbscrews and other torture devices? Or, would that be some sort of healing that can only come through your contradictory god?
So, if you come back, perhaps you could actually make a cogent argument that's backed by more than your say-so and actually attempt to present yourself and Xianity in a more positive light?
owner this blog .just answer me plz..
are you a whore??؟
an egyption muslim engineer fukun stupid gay..not guy
that`s you bustard owner this piece of shit=yr blog
put yr mid finger in yr ass you`ll feel better hhhhhhh
Wow, apparently you're a homophobic, sexist, racist, atheophobic bigot. What a stunning intellect you have.
So, why do you hate so many people?
Oh dear me. It seems that this blog attracts all kinds of uncouth and ill-educated louts.
Ms. Anonymous Can'tSpellYet apparently suffers from synthesia as she is able to "feel" light when doing knee bends. Now that her life has been accomplished (does that mean she is dead?) she no longer hates Jesus because she no longer needs to blame someone. That reasoning might make sense to adolescents who do poorly at school, but for the rest of us, it is merely an embarrassing cue that the writer is immature and/or poorly socialized.
Another person by the same name (this guy has written an overwhelming amount of stuff over the centuries) uses CAPS LOCK to swear and throw crudities and racist insults. It's the kind of behavior a parent would expect from an 8 year old who has suddenly discovered how to get attention by shocking people.
Are these the depths of depravity that result from religion?
OTOH, dear GCT, that heading is rather provocative, at least for those who believe that Jesus was a real person who really said exactly what he is quoted as saying in their preferred translation of the holy books determined to be divinely inspired by a bunch of fallible Catholic Fathers in the 4th Century.
Fuck god, jesus and chistianity
GCT,
How about a special holiday commentary on Thanksgiving?
Giving thanks to God is a fundamental aspect of Christianity. We are told to give thanks always, for the good things we receive, and for the not-so-good as well (not so good from our immediate perspective, anyway). The implication is that there is something essential to our relationship with God that requires an attitude of thankfulness.
Of course, from an atheist point of view, there is no one to be thankful to, so the concept of having a thankful attitude has no meaning. Am I right about that, or can an atheist have a thankful attitude in the absence of God?
Tigerboy, I expect you will have much to say about this, particularly with regard to the selective advantage of thankfulness during human evolution.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
A couple of years ago, at a big Thanksgiving Day party that was attended by a very broad range of people of various ethnicities and faith identifications, I was speaking with someone about holidays, in general, and I said:
---"One of the things I really love about Thanksgiving is that it is such a nice family holiday where people can just express their love and gratitude to one and other, and it doesn't have any of that religious tension and rancor that comes a month later."
His response to me was:
"Of course Thanksgiving is religious. Whom do you think we are expressing our thankfulness to?"
My answer: "Um, each other."
I grew up in America, and I learned all about the Pilgrims and the Indians, just like any other schoolchild, but I have never seen Thanksgiving as anything but an entirely secular holiday about expressing love and gratitude to my loved ones.
This party I'm referring to was attended by Christians, Atheists, Hindus, Muslims, and Jews. I've attended all kinds of different Thanksgiving events, over the years. Religion rarely, if ever, seems to be the point of the event.
How many traditions that take place a month later seem entirely free of religious dogma?
The fact that the man to whom I was speaking was Jewish hadn't even crossed my mind. Would that have been true at a Hanukkah party? As an atheist, would I even have been invited to a Hanukkah party?
I recognize that the roots of Thanksgiving are about giving thanks to God. However, the way most Americans celebrate this lovely holiday, it's much more secular and inclusive than Christmas, and religion is usually the last thing on people's minds.
Maybe that's why it's about football, too. Thanksgiving is like staying home from church on Sunday to watch the game. It's a nice holiday where everyone eats a bunch of food, and says "What's up?" to the cousins and friends they haven't seen in awhile.
A mindset of happiness, and awareness of the ways in which one is lucky, and a willingness to express gratitude to one's family and other loved ones, and a sense of charity and helpfulness toward those less fortunate . . . these frames of mind are human, not supernatural.
Love and charity make us feel more human, more grounded. It's just a way to reaffirm family ties.
Thanksgiving is nice. There's very little guilt attached to Thanksgiving.
The lovely feelings of gratitude are for each other, and they come from us, not the Burning Bush.
Rosemary,
I fished your comment out of the spam filter...no idea how it got there.
"...for those who believe that Jesus was a real person who really said exactly what he is quoted as saying in their preferred translation of the holy books..."
I think what you meant to say was that they believe Jesus said all the watered down things that they've been taught to believe he said. They rarely bother to think about Jesus's racist rant against the Syrophenician woman, his idea on thought crime, etc.
Carpe,
I'm with Tigerboy on this, except with one caveat. He said, "I recognize that the roots of Thanksgiving are about giving thanks to God," which I disagree with. The roots of thanksgiving are in pagan festivals to celebrate the fall harvest. Xianity has since tried to co-op it, as they have other holidays, like Xmas.
Still, thankfulness is a feeling that people have where they are simply happy for the good things in life. There's no need to include or invoke god in any of it.
I meant the roots of the American Pilgrims-and-Indians vision of Thanksgiving is about giving thanks to God. The Pilgrims were total religious freaks.
There's no doubt that harvest festivals way predate the Pilgrims arrival at Plymouth. They predate Christianity.
But, my larger point was that it is the very fact that religion has been so successfully removed from Thanksgiving that makes it feel so inclusive.
Religion divides us. A good dinner with friends and family, without dogma, brings us together.
Well, come on - it's time for a new post, not another comment! This comment blows. A new post wouldn't!
im a christian and i love Christ but i dont like religion .
Sigh. You are part of a religion, whether you like to use that word or not. It's the appropriate term.
Exactly. By embracing the magic Savior, you are embracing all the attendant ideas of punishment for sin and divine retribution.
I was just reading about this new religion: "A Course in Miracles." It's New Age stuff, Marianne Williamson bullshit, with just enough Jesus folded in to make Christians happy and comfortable. They're making big money selling books.
"A Course in Miracles" is all about love and forgiveness. They would NEVER start preaching about Hell and divine retribution.
But, that stuff is always just around the corner, isn't it? It's automatically implied. Whenever someone makes claims to know the "right" way to behave in order to please the spirit-world, there is always the "other side of the coin." There is always some implied down-side to improper behavior.
Do EXACTLY as I say, or suffer the consequences.
"A Course in Miracles" has a dose of "karma" stuff thrown in. Be kind and forgiving, or you will suffer the "lack of enlightenment" that, while it's not exactly the threats of damnation, will keep you doomed to remain in unhappiness. God equals joy, we are not of these bodies, love is salvation, blah, blah, blah. God is eternal, we are temporary, don't value the here and now, wait for paradise, blah, blah, blah.
Isn't the Universe "miraculous" enough? Why do we need to invent bullshit mythology?
Why can't we study science and ethics, without making-up obvious fiction?
Why can't we recognize the value of treating each other well, without threats from Santa?
so whats the point of this blog? What do you hope to accomplish by saying that Jesus didnt exist and the bible is a magic book?
btw: Atheist have ask much blood on their hands than any other religious group, Christian or other wise
How many atheists have killed in the name of atheism?
The point of the blog is to point out that religion is irrational and counter-productive to the human condition. Religion has been a stumbling block in humanity's struggle for equal rights, for instance, virtually every step of the way. It's a faulty methodology for determining truths about the world. It's a built-in mechanism for assigning in and out groups that encourages hatred and violence. If more people stand up and speak out, then religion loses its insidious grip just that much more, which is a net good for humanity.
I am a new atheist and I have a question. How do you avoid being afraid of nonexistence after death?
Were you afraid of nonexistence before birth?
Nothing in the Universe lasts forever.
That's what makes life precious.
If we actually lived eternally, would your life be something dear, something valuable?
The wish to live forever is a childish wish. It shows a basic misunderstanding about what a stagnating nightmare Eternity would be.
Think of some other childish, unrealistic wish that you know is not actually gonna come true:
--"I wish I could win 100 million dollars in the lottery!"
--"I wish I had magic powers!"
--"I wish I could be super-strong and fly around the world like Superman!"
--"I wish I could be invisible!"
How ever will you deal with the fear that these things won't actually happen? You know what? It's fine. You'll be just fine if those things don't happen.
Real life is pretty special. I recommend you take a moment, stop and smell the flowers, think about how much you love your family, think about all the realistic dreams you might actually make happen in your life, take a walk on a beach, appreciate a beautiful sunset, learn scuba diving, whatever, and enjoy the spectacular true experience of your real, actual life.
Fantasies are fun, but so is reality.
Despite everything I have said about Eternity being a stagnating nightmare, even that is an interpretation from a temporal perspective. Humans enjoy overcoming hardships. We enjoy a challenge. My human self would hate the idea of eternal stagnation. However, I actually believe that the notion of "nightmare" is just as unsustainable for eternity as the notion of "joy."
Pain-hunger-ecstasy-anguish-peace-wonder . . . these are temporary states of being. They ONLY exist in juxtaposition to different states.
Religious notions of eternity would seem to preclude the idea of "good days and bad days." How can one have "good days" without the possibility of "bad days?" It would seem to me that actual E-T-E-R-N-I-T-Y would negate any possibility of mood changes, good or bad. One would merely exist.
It would seem that a truly eternal being would have absolutely no frame of reference to relate to anything temporal. How could an eternal being understand the concept of "fear of death?" It couldn't.
Everyday human pains and pleasures? I don't think so! The notions of "joy" and "agony" would have no meaning in an eternal existence.
I am also desperate with Jesus, but he is the Way, Truth and life, he is almighty, he is loard Krishna, He is Loard Kalki & He will reign the world for 1000 years. He is so busy with many universal problems, so he has no time to sort out our problems. the place where he presently stay is quiet dense so that gravity is 1000 times greater than our earth. so for him, our 1000 year is equal to only one day. so his action is very slow. but HE is EVERYTHING. I am not a supporter of almight, but I support, truth, way and life. I am not a begger for money and comfort & position, still I love Jesus because, He loved all the 60 billion people living in the world.Unfortuanly we are very far away from him due to certain reasons. we have to find it out.
"He is so busy with many universal problems, so he has no time to sort out our problems."
Then he is not all-mighty as you claim. So, which is it?
"the place where he presently stay is quiet dense so that gravity is 1000 times greater than our earth. so for him, our 1000 year is equal to only one day."
And, you know this how? And, this makes sense how? I think your math needs some work. Gravity does not necessarily correlate with a longer day. Take Jupiter, for instance. Jupiter's gravity is ~2.5x the gravity of Earth, yet the day is shorter ~10 hrs. According to your math, 2.5 years on Earth should be 1 day on Jupiter.
"still I love Jesus because, He loved all the 60 billion people living in the world."
Wow, that's a lot of people. In fact, 2000 years ago the estimate is that only 50-60 million (not billion) people existed. Today, we have 7 billion people.
"Unfortuanly we are very far away from him due to certain reasons."
He doesn't call, he doesn't write...
God is hate!
God is evil.
I'm baffled by this site. It's fine that you're an atheist, and everything, but why post these pictures depicting Jesus doing various, silly things? Wouldn't it be better to state your opinion in a civilized manner without posting pictures of a "magic" or "imaginary" Savior? It seems you're doing this more for shock value. Furthermore, look at some of the comments from other so-called atheists on this board: "JESUS FUCKING SUCKS YOU JEW BASTARDS" or "Jesus feels like sucking a bum". Are atheists really that sophomoric? Look at the people you're attracting to your blog.
I'm all for free speech and freedom to choose religion or not to choose it, but cannot understand or fathom juvenile ranting.
"but why post these pictures depicting Jesus doing various, silly things?"
Humor. And, what is that old saying about judging books and their covers?
"Wouldn't it be better to state your opinion in a civilized manner without posting pictures of a "magic" or "imaginary" Savior?"
I do that as well. And, Jesus is imaginary.
"It seems you're doing this more for shock value."
That's because you have to actually read the arguments.
"Are atheists really that sophomoric?"
And, you'll note that I've spoken up sometimes. But, I get that sometimes people need to blow off steam in a culture that is saturated with your religious privilege.
"I'm all for free speech and freedom to choose religion or not to choose it, but cannot understand or fathom juvenile ranting."
I see. You look at the pictures and the comments by a select few and are allowed to discard everything on the site as "juvenile ranting?" I doubt you could answer the objections that I bring up. Instead, you have to attack superficial things so that you can buttress your own faith and make yourself feel better.
Who said I was religious? You make too many assumptions. It rather sums up your life, doesn't it? Your whole life is just a whole lump of assumptions - You sad, sad person you. I wouldn't say I disagree with your views - maybe I'm an atheist too. I would rather just root out useless ones like yourself because I don't wish to be compared to some dreg like you. That's what you are - You're a sad, useless, lonely dreg, aren't you?
Who's making assumptions, here?
You pick out a few comments from other people, read a few cartoons, and then you assign all kinds of personality attributes to GCT that you would have no way of knowing!
Why don't you try investigating what GCT has to say, or, better yet, engage in a dialogue?
---"I'm all for free speech . . . "
. . . except when I don't like it.
Religion gets ENDLESS privilege in this society! That sometimes inspires great anger. A little cursing and a little anger is healthy. You like free speech? Well, that's free speech!
I have been on countless religious blogs where the comments are censored. I admire GCT for allowing commenters to say what they wish. If you don't like what some other person has written, too bad! Don't take it out on GCT. I hear people say things that I don't like with great frequency. I either address it, or I get over it!
The "marketplace of free ideas" is a rough-and-tumble world. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Try reading what GCT has actually written. (I know reading and thinking is much harder than scanning a few cartoons and jumping to conclusions, but give it a try.)
sycophant
Uh-huh.
A perfect demonstration that you haven't read what I've written, either. In the past, I have been one of the commenters whom GCT has taken to task for gratuitous nastiness.
So, I'm a "sycophant," huh?
It would seem that "Anonymous" has a little tendency toward name-calling and juvenile ranting, him/herself. Good thing juvenile ranting doesn't bother me. I don't care.
I am perfectly willing to raise my middle digit in your direction, Anonymous. OR, we could just have a civil discussion about religion. That is what you were advocating, right?
I find your claim (rather, your vague hypothetical) of being atheist to be highly suspect. If you ARE atheist, I have some bad news for you. You are just as combative as any of the "sophomoric atheists" with whom you wish to disassociate yourself.
Sorry.
Maybe it's only the "curse words" that offend you. Well, grow up! Adults sometimes use strong language. Censorship offends me far more than cursing. Personally, I do not use that much cursing. But, I reserve the right to use it when and where I wish. They're just words! People who get offended by strong language are the ones who seem juvenile to me.
I didn't write that last "sycophant" comment. Some other anonymous commenter did. I guess that's the risk you take by posting anonymously...I'll leave my name at the end of each of my posts from now on.
-Jim
Jim:
Yes, well, all the anonymity on this blog was bound to cause some confusion, eventually.
If I accused you of unwarranted name-calling, I apologize. However, I maintain that GCT offers measured, logical, well-thought-out discourse on his chosen topics. He knows his arguments. He is far more patient with fundamentalists than I would be. He seems quite familiar with their magic book.
Also, I stand by my statements that censorship offends me more than cursing. I understand the anger atheists feel at the privilege enjoyed by religion.
I agree that, occasionally, this blog has attracted some commenters who contribute little besides shock and anger, but I would rather ignore those comments than have GCT choose censorship. It's unfair to blame GCT for the nastiness of others.
Some CONCEPTS are more offensive, to me, than others.
Using the comment of 3 September 2011, from this thread, as an example of offensive concepts (rather than just offensive curse words):
---"JESUS FUCKING SUCKS FUCK YOU JEW BASTARDS"
Charming.
The phrase "FUCK YOU JEW BASTARDS" is far more offensive to me than the phrase "JESUS FUCKING SUCKS."
Jews are real human beings. They have a long, filthy history of being victimized, hated, marginalized, even exterminated. This is just the sort of bigotry that religion creates. I object to that.
Jesus, on the other hand, is not a real human being. He's the imaginary figurehead of an elaborate mythology. (If Jesus actually were a divinity, I would think He could take the heat. I'm not too worried about Jesus having His feelings hurt.) His followers do not automatically deserve respect for a mind/behavior controlling fiction for which they have no credible evidence. I couldn't care less about offensiveness like that.
Remember the "Danish cartoons?"
People NEED to be free to express their anger (even their vitriol) over foolishness such as that. Railing against a power structure, a church, a government, that is the very essence of free speech.
Actually, I have read what you've written in the past concerning your admiration of GCT, like this:
"You serve the public, my friend. Your mission is a noble one. You enlighten all who take the time to read your wise, logic-based thoughts. I admire the way your mind works.
Carry on."
Geesh.
And I stand by that.
Logic-based arguments against the tyranny of religion serve a noble cause.
Problem?
Just because I happen to agree with many of the things GCT has written, it hardly makes me a sycophant. (Does someone need a dictionary?)
I, too, have written extensively on this blog. My thoughts are entirely my own. (I had written extensively on other atheist blogs, long before I ever appeared here.)
What exactly is your problem with me making a few comments acknowledging GCT's talent?
So, who wrote the nonsense about assumptions?
Jesus was shagging Mary Magdalene and the two were both getting a big fuck-all laugh out of all the poor saps he was fooling about walking on water.
Wow, Catholics and Christians aren't the only ones? Brilliant. Intellectual atheist discovers water is wet. Fellow atheists celebrate. Heh. Nothing makes Glenn Beck look like a Rhodes Scholar more than modern atheists. And that's no easy task.
Wow. I know you're trying to feel superior, but you just stepped in it and you don't even realize it. That's pretty bad.
GCT comment addresses which comment? Mine regarding the brilliant realization that water is wet? Please explain.
After all your bravado, I would think that you'd be embarrassed to have to have it shown to you.
When you take it for granted that all those other religions are just as bad as your religion, it's not a very good defense of your religion. IOW, you've just admitted that your religion sucks. Good job with that. Perhaps you're just figuring out the liquid properties of water yourself?
Secondly, if you've been paying attention, I've called attention to the issues of other religions before. Using the title as a way to criticize without taking in the context is simply intellectually dishonest.
Got any other feet you'd like to swallow?
My point is that everyone knows it. It’s not news. It’s never been news. That any group, religion, institution or vocation is not immune to such cases is as commonly accepted by way of facts and data as is the existence of gravity. It’s so not news, I was shocked to see a website that seemed, well, proud of the fact that what everyone has known for years is suddenly known. It’s been a problem within all faiths, and people inside and outside of religion have been hurt by it. Heck, there’s some talk that there might even be a few atheists who have been known to cross the line in terms of sexual abuse. Again, means nothing at all. Doesn’t mean atheism this or religion or Christianity that. It’s a problem and scandal that transcends beliefs and philosophies. Saying this proves religion spoils everything might as well be saying oxygen proves religion spoils everything. It's a nonsense argument, and not one a thinking person should be proud to advance.
TAKE TIME TO READ. It's worth reading it. Trust me :)
Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?
Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.
P.S.
I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you?
Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.
By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
:)) PS: This Will Be My Last Post
-Waki
"My point is that everyone knows it. It’s not news."
Again, way to step in it.
"...I was shocked to see a website that seemed, well, proud of the fact that what everyone has known for years is suddenly known."
So, you looked at the title to one post and decided all of that without actually looking into the blog with even a cursory look. You don't get to pretend that this one post title is the whole sum of the blog and use that to criticize me. It's rather dishonest.
"Heck, there’s some talk that there might even be a few atheists who have been known to cross the line in terms of sexual abuse."
Atheists don't claim to have a divinely inspired morality.
"Again, means nothing at all."
Says you. Apparently you're unaware that "All those other religious people do it too" is a horrible defense. I'm sure the victims of such abuses by people held in esteem (for no good reason) don't share your sentiments.
"Saying this proves religion spoils everything might as well be saying oxygen proves religion spoils everything. It's a nonsense argument, and not one a thinking person should be proud to advance."
Nice straw man.
Waki,
That story of your's is an urban legend. See here:
http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
You might also be interested (although I doubt that you are) in a rebuttal of that argument that shows all the logical fallacies employed:
http://www.rationalresponders.com/debunking_an_urban_legend_evil_is_a_lack_of_something
Finally, next time you want to copy/paste something so long, I advise that you instead link to the source where you found it. This was not your work. You got it from an ill-informed apologetics site. (I mean, really? Man evolved from monkeys? That's a pretty elementary error from someone who obviously doesn't understand evolution in the slightest.)
So, I see your bad argument and raise you.
I have read through your blog. Not every post of course. But many, including your banter with commenters who have disagreed with you one way or another. I notice that one of your common approaches is to suggest that the critic of your point simply doesn’t understand; the critic doesn’t get it. I’ve seen that approach several times. Fair enough. Then what was the purpose of the post, if not to suggest that it might be possible that other religions than the Catholic Church have their place in abuse scandals? What does it mean, if not that? Your use of the phrase ‘seems like’ is generally understood as saying that you are allowing for the possibility of something. Perhaps it was a mistaken use of the phrase, but as written, one could hardly be blamed for thinking that your post here suggests that you were opening up to the possibility that it wasn’t just Catholics who were the mischief.
Second, it’s not a straw man to answer an argument made. You said, in your own words, that because of the information in your post, the late Christopher Hitchens might be right, that religion poisons everything. Responding to that is not a straw man argument. It’s countering an argument that you yourself made. Perhaps you should look up the definition of a straw man argument.
I was intrigued by your argument responding to the fact that abuse crosses many spectrums, including belief or lack of belief regarding deity, that somehow the fact that atheists don’t claim divinely inspired morality makes a difference. Unpacking that would be interesting.
Finally, it doesn’t mean anything. Clearly that was not in reference to the pain felt by abuse victims, but rather the validity of linking abuse and religion as your post appears to want to do, given the final line of the second paragraph.
The purpose is to point out other abuses and to suggest that part of the problem is the undue respect that is automatically given to someone who is "of the cloth" so to speak. Perhaps you missed that whole part of the first paragraph (the second half of it)?
And, why would I just now be "opening up to the possibility that it wasn’t just Catholics who were the mischief [sic]" when I've pointed out from the start that all religions are wrong, bunk, and harmful? That's the part that doesn't make sense from you. You act as if this blog has only ever criticized Catholicism and I'm just now realizing that other religions are bad too. What a crock. It makes you look ridiculous. Water is wet and all that, and you are the one with it on you.
As for the straw man, I never said this proves that religion poisons everything. Nice try, but you don't get to define my arguments for me just so you can knock them down (definition of straw man).
And, if you think there is no relationship between abuse and religion, think again.
YouTube video
"Jesus Christ [is the] AntiChrist
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLGJXo8gshg
Too cool, eh?
all of u who hate Jesus christ can die go to hell and die u mother fukin bastards eat dicks u ass holes and for those that r gay go hang your self u non God fearing bastards and im only 13 years old if u wanna track me go ahead if u come to my house and try to kill me u will pay and lose your head praise God the father praise God the Son and praise God the Holy spirit and ill pray for u all
This is rather sad. Assuming that you are actually 13 and black, I'm saddened, just as I'm saddened by any minority that has been swept up by Xianity. You do realize that your religion was used as a tool to subjugate black people for hundreds of years, right? You do realize that it's used now as a tool to oppress and keep people happy with oppression, right? You should do some research into the civil rights movements. Yes, everyone knows about Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, but I think you'll find there are many other voices out there that fought just as hard for equal rights that were atheists and distrustful of the Xian religion.
Secondly, you have a lot less to fear from atheist violence than gays, non-Xians, etc. have to fear from Xian violence against them. Look up all the hate crimes perpetrated against gays by Xians for just some examples. That you would even bring this us indicates that you have your own anger issues to work out.
Lastly, and again taking your identity at face value, you have a lot of learning and growing up to do. Don't simply swallow what others have told you, but go and do the research. Listen to the arguments, even ones you don't agree with, and see if you can formulate positive reasons for holding the positions you do. If you feel that atheism is wrong, be able to state why it is and why Xianity is right, using factual arguments. If you feel that being gay is wrong, be able to state why that is with, again, factual arguments. Good luck.
Oh, and one last thing...please refrain from making threats on this blog. That is not tolerated.
What a lame blog. Typical of modern atheism: based on willful stupidity, ignorance, bigotry, and intellectual masturbation.
Yet, you can't actually cite a single instance of any of those things.
It's not willful stupidity to reject your god. There are no facts to be denied that lead one to your god.
It's not ignorance to reject your god either. It's knowledge that leads us away from ignorant positions like god of the gaps arguments.
It's not bigotry to reject your god. In fact, the bigotry flows the other direction in that religious privilege favors theists in our society, and that privilege is wielded like a club against atheists. For instance, it's considered OK for a loud-mouth to come onto an atheist blog and trash it with no evidence and no argument, but still declare it to be willfully stupid, etc. Sound familiar?
Lastly, if you want to discuss intellectual masturbation, perhaps you can tell us how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Until then, you don't get to smugly sneer such things at atheists.
I'd suggest that you actually try to formulate an argument as insults don't really count as cogent arguments. I doubt you have the intellectual capacity, however, as those who fly in with insults ready rarely can handle the rigors of making arguments for their case.
GCT, You and Tigerboy are still at it, eh? ;-) Just wanted to drop by and say hi and see how you guys are doing. How's life?
Oh, the usual...eating babies, sacrificing Xians...same old, same old.
Yes, Tertiffic, I'm "still at it."
I happen to love our world. I want to do what I can to make it a more peaceful, secure, loving, inclusive place.
Hateful, judgmental, divisive, racist, homophobic, anti-woman superstitions make our world a LOT LESS safe.
It truly frightens me to see the way religion teaches each new generation of children that their own mothers are inferior to their fathers. That boys deserve education and opportunity, while girls deserve shame and ignorance.
That's a deadly message.
I believe that religion is a very dangerous influence in the world. And, as such, I believe I have a moral duty to speak-out against it.
Plus, I prefer to deal in demonstrable truth, not wishful thinking.
Tertiffic, since your last visit, the score remains . . .
Concrete Evidence for Anything Supernatural or Magic:
-Zero
-Nothing
Concrete Evidence for Rational Concepts:
-100%
-Still objective, reproducible, peer-reviewed, and absolutely convincing.
So, there you go.
Isn't working with a reality on which we can all agree so much better? It helps us get along. Demonstrable truth eventually transcends opinion and petty disagreements. Demonstrable truth refuses to be denied. It has to be acknowledged.
Demonstrable truth (science) can bring us together in the pursuit of a greater understanding of our TRUE circumstances. It can be peer-reviewed.
Wishful thinking (religion) causes widespread conflict over who's got a better version of divinity. (There are countless versions) Inherent conflict. Guaranteed conflict. (And, again, zero evidence that there exists any relationship between any particular divine story and actual reality.)
I'll take truth.
I'll take truth that I can take out and demonstrate to my neighbor and he'll have no choice but to accept it as truth. Reality and truth are so much better, as far as us getting along as neighbors.
The world has gotten too small for us to survive all this fighting-to-the-death over different versions of wished-for reality. We owe it to our children to start dealing in actual reality.
Well, I was genuinely wondering how you guys are doing---as in the person behind the blog. I'm really not looking to argue...at all. I think about you guys every now and then and just wanted to see how things were. That's it. No agenda. (I didn't even actually read this post). So, I hope you guys are doing well, with many blessings and moments of joy in life. :-)
Thanks for stopping by, hope all is well with you too.
Tertiffic stops by to say:
--I will not address the topic . . .
. . . but, I hope you have "blessings" in your life!
Okay. Whatever.
I'm not gonna say "thanks" to that. I just told her I believe religion is dangerous, and she comes back at me with "blessings," but she will allow no further discussion. Totally passive/aggressive!
No, I don't have "blessings" in my life.
I have a happy, enjoyable, financially-secure, challenging, love-and-affection-filled, peaceful life. I don't give away credit for that to fictional deities. I created the circumstances of my happy life (along with the vagaries of good and bad random events).
"Blessings" are your delusion, Tertiffic. If you were really just trying to be friendly and sociable, you wouldn't be shoving religion in my face at the same time as trying to prevent me from responding.
Passive/aggressive.
Tigerboy,
You seem to take great pleasure watching yourself dance naked in the mirror. Maybe it just isn't that captivating to others.
Anonymous,
You seem entirely incapable of defending your own superstitions. Maybe it's because they are indefensible.
Are you asking me to dance with you? I'm flattered, but I don't think you need a partner. You clearly prefer dancing with yourself.
If asking for evidence of one's belief is akin to "dancing naked in the mirror" - which I take to be another way of saying "mental masturbation" - then I'm afraid I don't know what you think is worthwhile.
I do think there is a strong self-gratification aspect to Tigerboy’s soliloquies. However, sometimes he makes his point rather masterfully. Take the subject of eternity for example. He highlights the absurdity of the Christian notion of eternal life. How simplistic to think that eternal life could be anything but tedious. Don’t these Christians ever think anything through? Here they are hoping on this childish notion of heaven when it should be clear to anyone that an eternity of anything would be excruciatingly boring. He writes at length about this, with a Faulkner-like stream of consciousness that seems to go on and on and on and then you finally realize the brilliance behind it. Tigerboy is taking you to eternity directly to experience for yourself the agonizing tedium that is the inevitable consequence of eternal life. By making the post go on relentlessly you experience that horror in a way that no simple words could convey.
This is high art.
The rest is self-indulgent mental masturbation as you point out.
Anonymous, you created this disturbing "dancing naked in the mirror" image. You attacked me for being something that you, yourself, invented! (Isn't that both a "straw man" and an "ad hominem" attack?)
I'm trying to stay on the topics of religion, piety, and atheism. (No, I'm not asking you to dance, Anonymous. That's your fantasy image.)
I'm merely asking if you have even a rudimentary logic behind your belief in a supernatural architect of the universe. (Apparently, you don't. Kinda pathetic, don't you think?)
Religion. Piety. Atheism. Are you able to stay on topic, or not? (Ad hominem attacks don't really accomplish anything.)
I hope you realize that by giving yourself the name "Anonymous" we have no ability to look back and see what you might have written.
Every comment might be someone new and different.
I admit, "Tigerboy" is not my real name, but I stand by what I've written under that name.
Which "Anonymous" are you?
(Given the level of sarcasm . . .)
I can't even figure out if this particular Anonymous is religious or not.
(Who's being self-indulgent?)
What's your position on God, Anonymous?
Take another look in the mirror Tigerboy. It really is you out there on the dance floor doing the funky chicken. I agree, it is not a pretty sight.
First of all, you've not made any points except to make personal attacks, so forgive me for yawning at you. Secondly, you've misrepresented me, and for that you get a wag of the finger.
Care to bring some substance, or are you simply going to continue to make personal attacks?
Look at his/her last statement:
---"Take another look in the mirror Tigerboy. It really is you out there on the dance floor doing the funky chicken. I agree, it is not a pretty sight."
He's creating a ridiculous image, and then agreeing with himself about how it looks.
Yet, he calls ME self-indulgent.
Tigerboy is very close to getting the point. He has correctly identified the words "self-indulgent" as somehow being key.
Tigerboy is very close to getting bored. Do you have anything relevant to contribute?
Really Anonymous, you're just making yourself look bad.
Tigerboy,
If you find yourself bored, I would just start the standard algorithm that drives this site and run it all over yet one more time. You seem to find it endlessly entertaining.
1.Bait someone into a discussion about the existence of God.
2.Point out that there is no scientific evidence for the existence of God (they most likely already knew this).
3.Deride the intelligence of the person who ventured to discuss anything with you in the first place.
4.Pat yourself on the back for winning yet one more battle against ignorance.
5.Wax-poetic on some subject (eternity, truth) that you feel you can speak about with authority.
6. Repeat from step 1
You really only need another person for step 1. Can’t you just cut to the chase and launch into step 5? That way you can service your own needs without having to involve some unsuspecting sap who thought you were really interested in understanding their thoughts.
Anonymous, I AM interested in your thoughts. That's why I've asked you, repeatedly, what they are. You seem unwilling to express them.
1. I don't "bait" people into doing anything. This is an atheist blog. I am an atheist. Forgive me for discussing the subject of atheism with people who choose to engage with an atheist blog.
2. I find the fact that there is no evidence for divinity to be significant to the topic at hand. If you don't, I'd love to hear why.
3. I have not derided anyone's intelligence. I might have called some specific idea, or some specific argument, foolish. That's part of the discussion. I would love for you to point out an example of me making an ad hominem attack on someone's intelligence. I don't think I have ever done that. (Again, by naming yourself "Anonymous," you are totally unwilling to stand by the history of what you might have written. If I called that "cowardly," that is not an ad hominem attack. It's germane to the subject we are discussing.)
4. I'm not going to address number 4.
5. I have never claimed authority on anything. I'm merely expressing my thoughts. Sorry my thoughts piss-you-off.
I'm not sure why you have such distain for me, Anonymous. I am expressing an atheist view. I'm expressing my own personal view. If you have a different point of view, I'd love to hear it.
I can't promise that I'll agree with your point-of-view. I can't promise that I won't find it foolish. But, if I do find it foolish, that will not be an ad hominem attack on your intelligence.
You are more than welcome to explain why it's valid. (Bad news: Validity usually requires some evidence.)
I've changed my mind. I believe I would like to address number 4.
You've accused me of patting-myself-on-the-back. You've also described me as being "captivated" by myself. You seem to be saying that I spend my time on this blog congratulating myself for something, or bragging.
I've done none of that. Please refer me to one example of self-congratulation.
You obviously don't like me, and I really couldn't care less. I'm not here to be sociable, or to make friends. I'm here to discuss religion, piety, and atheism.
I'm sorry if I've repeated myself with certain themes. I would say that there are quite a number of points which the pious never seem to address, such as a complete dearth of evidence. There are others. If they never get an answer, they bear repeating.
Again, I would love to hear your opinions about religion, but you seem far more interested in personal attacks. I don't see those as much of a contribution to a civil conversation. That's why I don't make personal attacks.
Again, you are free to point out where anything I've said is wrong. Because you write incognito, I am not extended the same courtesy.
Again Anon, you're only making yourself look bad. You're the one launching personal attacks here, not Tigerboy. You're the one without evidence, scientific or otherwise. You're the one who seems rather self-congratulatory. First rule of holes is to stop digging.
Tigerboy,
It seems like you’ve stepped back to do some serious soul searching. After some painful introspection you have now had to confront the possibility that your contributions to this site are really for your own benefit. That your lengthy expositions are really not connected to a conversation at all, but just an excuse to hear yourself talk. That you have no real interest in what Xians think, but just want to set up the next slam on religion, which feels good because you feel so far above it. Your long hard look in the mirror leads you to humbly conclude one thing…
…that you are every bit as amazing as you thought.
(Not only that, but you dance a wicked Macarena.)
No, I won’t be biting today, thank you.
What was that you were saying about being self congratulatory?
The projection is strong with this one.
It's so funny that Anonymous seems to believe he/she is taking some sort of "high road," here.
Anonymous is demonstrating fine examples of precisely the "bad behavior" of which he/she incorrectly accuses me.
--Self-indulgent. He/she is in full agreement with his/her own fantasy of me dancing various dances.
--Unwilling to engage in any give-and-take, whilst accusing me of giving speeches.
--An air of self-satisfied smugness, whilst making personal attacks that have nothing to do with topic.
It's all there! But, it's not me!
Enjoy your "high road," Anonymous. You've revealed yourself to be someone who resorts to ad hominem attacks, and who has nothing thoughtful to contribute. (I'm so embarrassed for you.)
Jesus Still Loves You.. he says come back to me... and i can set you free.
Jesus Still Loves You.. he says come back to me... and i can set you free.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'd rather live in the real world.
I hate Jesus too... I once believe in God and love Jesus but then my church most of the time they are talking about woman's right and the girls there avoid me because I'm a men.. I did nothing wrong.. .. When I told my pastor about my disease ... She ask me to stop going to church !! Fuck Jesus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUday1SPkY0
Wow! You guys are great! You have way more faith than I do. I mean to believe that this much order and balance came from chaos, now that's REAL faith. That's almost like saying that you shook up a bag of parts and pulled out a cell phone. Except, that's more of a mathematical possibility. I mean the cell phone thing.
I'm a simple man. I only have a 140 IQ so I'm not very smart. But I really admire you guys. You're so logical. I have to keep falling back on a creator, but, you guys can go all the way back to nothing. That's logical! Never mind that every first year chemistry or physics student knows that you can't get something for nothing. Don't pay any attention to the first and second laws of thermodynamics. They just suggest that this would be a cold, dead place by now. But, hey you guys are logical. And you have alot of faith.
When you kiss your husband or wife or whatever your significant other is goodnight, be sure to tell them that you are having a chemical reaction in your brain that is favorable towards them. Don't call it love. That is a primitive, abstract idea that might even suggest something bigger than themselves. That would be illogical. I'm just a simple man.
Wow, does that false and tired tripe of atheists needing more faith ever get old.
"You have way more faith than I do."
Completely false. Atheism is a rejection of faith.
"I mean to believe that this much order and balance came from chaos, now that's REAL faith."
What order and balance? What chaos? The emergent properties of the universe are simply that.
"That's almost like saying that you shook up a bag of parts and pulled out a cell phone. Except, that's more of a mathematical possibility. I mean the cell phone thing."
It's not even close to saying that except in the logically fallacious straw man in your mind.
"I'm a simple man. I only have a 140 IQ so I'm not very smart."
IQ doesn't correlate to necessarily having good ideas. This argument you've made is horrendously bad.
"I have to keep falling back on a creator, but, you guys can go all the way back to nothing."
When you can present a shred of evidence for your supernatural creator, maybe we can talk. Until then you are committing numerous logical fallacies and holding to an irrational idea.
"Never mind that every first year chemistry or physics student knows that you can't get something for nothing."
One would think that if you know what every first year student knows that you would have at least moved onto the second year where you actually learn something about the big bang and what scientists have actually described about the universe.
"Don't pay any attention to the first and second laws of thermodynamics."
How you think those have anything to do with your god or somehow defeat my position is beyond me. But, I'm sure you have some idea that evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics or some other rubbish like that.
"They just suggest that this would be a cold, dead place by now."
It might behoove you to actually learn about the laws of thermodynamics before shoving your foot down your throat so far, especially in the condescending manner you have conducted yourself. I mean, if you're going to be arrogant like that, you might want to make sure you have some idea of what you are talking about.
"When you kiss your husband or wife or whatever your significant other is goodnight, be sure to tell them that you are having a chemical reaction in your brain that is favorable towards them. Don't call it love."
Apparently atheists are not allowed to use human concepts that were developed by humans to describe real world phenomena? Um, sure. Sorry, but your argument here is just as uninformed and inane as your previous arguments on thermodynamics and first causes. At least do some research on the things you're going to argue for before so arrogantly displaying your ignorance for all to see.
C'mon. You can do better than that. Thanks, though. I guess I should sue that University I spent all that time and money on. Thanks for pointing that out. Anyway,it's not you, it's me, but, I'm easily bored. But really, thanks. You guys are great. Very logical.
Sarcastic and condescending on the way in . . .
Receives a single response . . .
Turns and runs, due to being "easily bored."
What a coward!
Anonymous, do you ever lose the snotty attitude and actually discuss anything?
Nope. It comes from inhaling all of the fumes when we're burning copies of the Koran, satanic CDs, and our kids' textbooks.
Really guys, lighten up! You're taking yourselves way too seriously. I mean, can't we be friends? Hey, us Xians (you like the way I used X there?) us Xians can be pretty boring too sometimes.
Love ya!
So, if you are a Christian, do you admit that your non-belief in Allah and the tenets of Islam is NOT just a different form of faith?
In other words, if someone characterized your "lack of belief" in all the Hindu gods as being a position requiring tremendous faith, you would find that statement absurd, correct?
Is being an Apollo atheist just another form of faith?
Anonymous has to be flippant and obtuse because (s)he has nothing else for argument. They've only got arguments from a lack of understanding of logic, science, rationality, and how evidence works, coupled with religious privilege. And, when that fails, tells us that we are taking it too seriously. The nerve.
It's kinda sad, really.
What must it be like to have such a foundational belief, and zero ability to defend it? To spend one's life clinging to a ludicrous bedtime story told by one's mommy? (I never was a believer, so I don't know what that's like.)
If they would just stop meddling in other people's lives so much, if they would stop trying to shame people for their sex lives, and stop all the misogyny and xenophobia, I might have much greater compassion for the ignorance.
They were lied to, by their parents. Ouch.
But, you're right. The sense of entitlement and privilege is just so obnoxious.
Makes you wonder doesn't it? How did I ever manage to get that pesky engineering degree from, of all places, that secular university that is supposed to be the best in it's field? Especially when I was questioning those things I was taught from my youth. Maybe I should give back that "honor graduate" status and that 4.0. You guys are brilliant. Can't one be a scientist and still be flippant? If not, that takes all the fun away.
As far as meddling, if I think you are standing on the tracks and the train is coming, I should probably tell you.
By the way, sex is still fun! Especially after a lot of time in the laboratory.
Did anyone request your college transcripts?
No.
Your resume?
No.
Did anyone question your intelligence?
No.
I do seriously question your ability to participate in a give-and-take discussion, however. Your flippancy merely demonstrates your total unwillingness to engage.
You're so busy doing comedy night with a two drink minimum, and talking AT us, with sarcasm and condescension, that no one can possibly interact with you. You might as well be writing on a bathroom wall.
Does your belief system stand-up to a conversation, or not?
Apparently your engineering degree didn't cover the topics that you are claiming to have some knowledge of.
You claimed atheism to be just another form of faith. (So tired.)
Why is your rejection of Islam (your Islam-atheism, if you will) not subject to the same "faith" label?
Why don't you see your own rejection of the Hindu gods as requiring some leap-of-faith?
THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS! From outside of the indoctrination of any particular mythology, the mythology looks absurd!
I like a bit of evidence. The faithful are the ones making outrageous, supernatural claims. Such claims have zero verifiable evidence.
My "not buying" someone else's fiction is NOT just a different form of faith! It's called "being rational."
Sorry guys, I thought this whole blog was just "comedy night". I was just taking my turn at the mic.
Uh-huh. Whatever.
Personally, I don't care. (Though, of course, it's not MY blog. GCT may feel differently.)
But, I would still love to hear your thoughts on religion. How do you rationalize your religious world-view (or, was that just a comedy bit?) with your rather grounded studies of the actual workings of the real world?
How does an intelligent person NOT recognize blatant mythology for the power-grabbing, people-controlling fiction it so obviously is?
Are you actually religious? Are you actually an engineer?
Why do you believe in magic?
Help me understand.
Oh, well taking your turn at the mic actually makes a bit of sense. It was just unexpected that you would make yourself the joke.
Anonymous,
Don't leave the mic just yet. It was just getting interesting (much more interesting than the usual GCT/Tigerboy standup).
What made you get off the tracks yourself?
The voices told me to!
Actually, it's a long story.
So I'll have to wait to hear it at the wedding feast then? Should I look for you in the engineering section?
Crazy is rather entertaining. Misinformed is not.
I don't think Anonymous was saying that evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics. I think he was instead saying that abiogenesis violates the laws of thermodynamics. This should have been your cue to drag out the 747 junkyard argument.
Didn't they teach you anything in atheist school?
Anonymau5,
You can look for me there, or maybe the Obsessive-Compulsive, Narcissistic Personality Disorder section.
Or maybe the anti-women, pro-slavery, racist, homophobe section.
I guess it depends on who is doing the labeling.
I would tell you to look for me based on what I’m wearing, but I’ve been advised not to show up in my usual shabby attire. I’m expecting OCNPD to be packed. Might be best to look for me in the molecular biology section. There may be better seating there.
I sure we could get this revitalized.
Game on.
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