Monday, 7 April 2008

Do Xians Even Read This Stuff?


Exodus 13...I love Exodus 13, because in it god commands the sacrifice of every newborn male Jew and head of livestock to commemorate god killing the firstborn of every Egyptian family. Very kind of him.

Then, he put a beacon of light up for Moses and his crew to follow...where they toiled in the dessert for, what, 40 years or so? C'mon. Do you mean to tell me that it took them 40 years to walk from Egypt to Israel? Of course, there's not a shred of evidence left behind of this massive exodus. Nothing has been found in the dessert to show that any of this took place.

So, Xian readers, have you actually read this stuff?

10 comments:

JayBird's Joint said...

On the contrary....
You must research before making such a claim. Archeology is awesome.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

GCT said...

OK, so you wish to contend that even though there is no archaeological evidence of these people being anywhere at all, but there are a couple chariot wheels which could have come from anything, that this highly speculative and different account from the Bible is accurate? The beginning of your site starts off by chiding the archaeologists that haven't found any evidence of a mass exodus for not having enough faith in god and the Bible, and you think this sounds like an unbiased source? They also take writings from Josephus as fact, even though those were written well after the fact (in the late first century CE, IIRC) and they still haven't found any artifacts of an encampment anywhere which would be necessary for that many people moving and camping. Add to it the fact that they supposedly were out in the desert for a long time, and something should be there to be found. Yet, even your site admits nothing has been found. What does that suggest to you? To anyone who isn't pre-disposed to uncritically accept everything the Bible says, it suggests that the exodus never happened.

Futuristics said...

NICE Blog :)

Norm said...

I've read it. I believe it. First about the sacrificing of the firstborn. God created life, whether its the Christian God or the some other god. Life is his to give and take away. Its not wrong of God to do what he pleases with the things he created. That's all I really have to say.

rationalrussian said...

I think the answer to your question is a deafening "No." Why bother reading a book when you can simply have someone tell you about the *meaning* of important passages? If anyone actually read the insert name of religious book here, from cover to cover, it would be fairly obvious to the reader that it is no more or less "the Word of God" than Homer's "Odyssey," for example.

JayBird's Joint said...

"OK, so you wish to contend that even though there is no archaeological evidence of these people being anywhere at all"

Again, there is evidence much archaeological evidence that the Israelites existed, and in many places, most locations written about in OT times have been found, ex. Jericho, which was once said not to have existed...not sure what your basing your proof on when you say "No".


"and you think this sounds like an unbiased source?"

biased?...of course what site isn't?


"and they still haven't found any artifacts of an encampment anywhere which would be necessary for that many people moving and camping."

Do you expect butane bottles, wrappers, tents and rv's? This is 4000 years ago...and lasted a mere 40 years.

The point is the chariot wheels match with the exodus, where no other explanation is offered, but i'm sure you can whip something up to ignore it.
Also, the Jews still celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles in remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt, this celebration goes back to the patriarchal times.

GCT said...

norm,
"God created life, whether its the Christian God or the some other god. Life is his to give and take away. Its not wrong of God to do what he pleases with the things he created."

Wow, simply wow. On the contrary, however, god actually has a moral obligation to us, just as parents do to children they bring into the world. If parents abuse their children, don't we take the children away from them? If god abuses us, however, you want to thank him for it?

Anonymous said...

JJ:"Do you expect butane bottles, wrappers, tents and rv's? This is 4000 years ago...and lasted a mere 40 years."

Who's to say that the chariot wheel prints weren't from another chariot from another bunch of people wondering around in the desert?

And Norm:"Life is his to give and take away. Its not wrong of God to do what he pleases with the things he created."

So it's ok, if your mother/father aborted you or killed you since she made you/gave birth?

GCT said...

JJ,
"Again, there is evidence much archaeological evidence that the Israelites existed, and in many places, most locations written about in OT times have been found, ex. Jericho, which was once said not to have existed...not sure what your basing your proof on when you say "No"."

Yes, there is evidence that the Israelites existed, who said there isn't? There is no evidence of any exodus. There is no evidence of such a large group either traveling or encamping anywhere in the desert. I confess that I don't know much about Jericho, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that cities listed in the Bible did exist. It's what historical fiction/mythology is all about. Troy actually existed too. Does that mean that the Greek gods are real?

"biased?...of course what site isn't?"

The whole point to science and the science of archaeology is to eliminate bias, not to assume one's conclusions.

"Do you expect butane bottles, wrappers, tents and rv's? This is 4000 years ago...and lasted a mere 40 years."

40 years is a long time for a group as large as that not to have left behind any artifacts, such as pots, camp remains, etc. No one is talking about modern camp materials. Do you really wish to contend that no evidence can be found because they didn't leave any trace? Were they all ninjas?

"The point is the chariot wheels match with the exodus, where no other explanation is offered, but i'm sure you can whip something up to ignore it."

I'm not even sure that the find is authentic, nor is exodus the only explanation for finding chariot wheels there.

"Also, the Jews still celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles in remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt, this celebration goes back to the patriarchal times."

Yeah, and we still celebrate the American revolution where patriots stood behind rocks and trees while the Brits walked down the road and simply god picked off all war because they couldn't figure out how to take cover. Of course, events didn't actually happen like that and that event was much closer to our lifetimes. Simply because they believe something happened and celebrate it, don't make it so.

Steven Bently said...

No xtians do not read the Bible beyond the baby Jesus in a manger.


I challenge anyone to read the whole chapter of Exodus, especially ch. 4, vs 23-26, and god did not want any idols but yet he commissioned a gold plated ark of the covenant, what BS.

Hi JJ, Imagine that, a fearless marine afraid of words written down in a book...duh